Natal's Republic
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- Also, in a scenario where a friend has lent us a weapon, would we want to pay back that debt and hand him back his weapon if he clearly has gone crazy or insane?
- Well, that definition is clearly too specific and cannot apply to all forms of justice.
- How do you define Justice, my good friend Cephalus
- I believe that Justice is the telling of the truth and the paying back of all debts.
- Defining who is friend and who is enemy is not only very difficult for some, but also changes over time and the chances of hurting an actual friend on accident is very high.
- My definition(Polymarcus) is justice is the helping of friends and the harming of enemies
- I will allow my son to take it from here.
- So does that mean that a stronger man is automatically more just than the unjust man.
- You just contradicted yourself. Also, the government only works for the people, the same way a doctor only seeks advantages for the patient.
- Even though the government can make mistakes, the people should not only follow the rules of the rulers, but also work to the rulers advantages.
- As Thrasymachus, Justice is only in the interest of the stronger. Each form of government makes laws for the people and is stronger than the people.
- Time for me to Leave!
- Time for me to leave!
- Well, as we explained earlier, the craftsmen or the government in this scenario, are working only towards the advantage of the people. The only people that would choose to rule in this city are good men, because other men would focus more on money and honor rather than leadership.
- Socrates, do not think I am speaking carelessly. Anyways, you have to think of the government as sheep herders that attempt to fatten up the people until they are slaughters. Being unjust is more advantageous in both scenarios rather than being just.
- And can you agree that an expert in a field focuses more on competing against others instead of their own kind?
- Then that would make the Just man seem more intelligent and reasonable while the unjust, the one who tries to compete with everyone, more vicious and ignorant.
- Well you believe that the just man is always trying to outdo an unjust man while the unjust man tries to outdo everyone correct?
- Yes
- yes
- A just life is only filled with Vice, while an unjust life is only filled with Virtue.
- Then the just man would simply be the virtuous man while the unjust man would be vice and ignorant?
- WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!!?
- Of Course Socrates that is correct
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